Surname Saturday

Surname Saturday – Moncur

My first ancestor with this surname was Agnes Moncur. My line is

1 Lois Whimpey

2 Ivon Walter Whimpey (1923-2009)
3 Edith Jean Marr (1922-1990)

4 John Ernest Whimpey (1884-1960)
5 Ivy May Harley (1890-1959)

10 Alexander Alexander Harley (1866-1939)
11 Henrietta Louisa Russell (1865-1949)

20 Robert Harley (1817-1891)
21 Euphemia Dandie (1824-1902)

40 John Harley (1797-1864)
41 Agnes Moncur (1793-1850). Agnes was born 13 August 1793, and christened 17 August 1793 at Longforgan, Perthshire, Scotland. She was the daughter of Thomas Moncur and Isobel Prain.

Agnes married John Harley on 23 February 1817 at Longforgan, and they had four children:

  • Robert 1817-1891
  • Elizabeth 1819-1888
  • John 1823-1891
  • Janet 1834-1902

Agnes died in 1850 and was buried 16 January 1850 at Longforgan. After her death, the rest of the family, including her husband John, moved to Australia.

82 Thomas Moncur. Based on his marriage year of 1777, Thomas was born about 1750. A baptism record has not yet been found for Thomas. He was deceased at the time of his daughter Agnes’ marriage in 1817.

Thomas married Isobel Prain on 20 November 1777 at Longforgan, and they had 9 children:

  • Elizabeth 1778-?
  • John 1780-?
  • Thomas 1782-1841
  • William 1784-1851
  • Margaret 1786-?
  • Isabell 1791-?
  • Agnes 1793-1850
  • James 1796-1822
  • Grizzal 1802-1822

There was another Moncur couple living in Longforgan at this time: James Moncur and Girsel Moncur. Since Thomas named one of his daughters Grizzal, Thomas may have been the brother of either James or Girsel. Unfortunately, there was no baptisms entries in Longforgan for James or Thomas during the time period when they would have been born. Since Thomas and James are both quite common names, there are a number of possibilities in the baptisms in the towns around Longforgan. Since Girsel/Grizel is a less common name, I decided to try searching for her. I found a baptism for Grizel Moncur on 15 March 1742 at Alyth. Her father was James Moncur.  There was a Thomas Moncurr christened 23 June 1728 at Alyth (parents James Moncurr and Janet Froster). He was probably too old to be our Thomas. The only other Thomas with a father James was christened 21 November 1756 at Errol. It therefore seems more likely that it was Thomas and James who were brothers, especially given the distance between Alyth and Longforgan.

Thomas eldest son was named John and his second daughter was Margaret. Based on Scottish naming patterns, these were possibly his parent’s names. I have found two christenings in Longforgan around the time Thomas and James would have been born:
23/12/1739 MONCUR ISOBEL JOHN MONCUR/MARGARET MONCRIEF F LONGFORGAN DUNDEE CITY CITY/PERTH 377/00 0020 02282

25/10/1744 MONCUR SUSAN JOHN MONCUR/MARGT. MONCRIEF F LONGFORGAN DUNDEE CITY CITY/PERTH 377/00 0020 0244

Could Susan and Isobel have been Thomas and James’ sisters? Are Thomas and James baptism records missing, or were they baptised in a nearby parish? At this stage, I don’t know the answer to these questions. As a result, Thomas is as far back as I have been able to go back for this branch of the family.

 

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